Cadre
Amy Makice, LCSW, and Kevin Makice explore concepts from Relational-Cultural Theory (RCT). The current theme is Playful Connections, an examination of play as a creative process of transformative connection and a key component of growth, resiliency, and joy.
Amy Makice, LCSW, and Kevin Makice explore concepts from Relational-Cultural Theory (RCT). The current theme is Playful Connections, an examination of play as a creative process of transformative connection and a key component of growth, resiliency, and joy.
Episodes

Aug 4, 2024
s01e13 - The Disparity Trap
Aug 4, 2024
Aug 4, 2024
26 min
Game developer Christian Telesmar, creator of 'Disparity Trap', joins Amy, Kevin, and Don Griffin, Jr. in a crossover episode with "My Racist Friend" to discuss Christian's board game about the game of real life. Christian explains the origins of the game, and Amy highlights two new RCT concepts: Desire for More and Strategies of Disconnection.
Christian Telesmar will provide the keynote presentation on Friday, September 6 as part of the upcoming 2024 Relational Summit on Playful Connection. Don will be on a panel playing Disparity Trap during that session.
Some resources mentioned in this episode:
Disparity Trap board gamehttps://disparitytrap.net/
"Disparity Trap Board Game" (Kickstarter video)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOC8PB1aMS0
Share the Flame consultinghttps://www.shareflame.com/ist-of-an-ism
My Racist Friend (podcast)https://bloomingtoncc.podbean.com/
2024 Relational Summithttps://www.bloomingtoncenterforconnection.org/2024-relational-summit/
Cadre is a podcast that explores concepts from Relational-Cultural Theory (RCT), a psychological theory that started with Jean Baker Miller, and grew through collaboration and connection in places like the Stone Center at Wellesley College. RCT is built on the idea that people grow through and towards relationships, and that those relationships shape and are shaped by the cultures we co-create. Culture often creates challenges to connection through inequity and hierarchies.
Each year, the Bloomington Center for Connection selects a guiding theme for monthly small-group discussions of RCT concepts.
Christian Telesmar attended college at the University of Washington (UW) with the intent of pursuing medical school but fell in love with theatre and knew that’s where he was meant to be. After graduating from the University of Washington’s Master of Fine Arts (MFA) Acting program, he relocated to Los Angeles, California, where he resides today. His performance work includes appearances on FOX’s Bones, 9-1-1: Lone Star, and The Young and the Restless. While in Los Angeles, Christian earned his Master of Business Administration (MBA) from Purdue University Global and holds a Qualified Administrator license for the Intercultural Development Inventory® (IDI) from IDI, LLC. He is excited to be fusing his many passions, combining his love of art, business, and education in the Diversity, Equity, & Inclusion space with his board game, Disparity Trap.
Donald Griffin Jr. is a Bloomington native, former Deputy Mayor for Bloomington, and a real estate broker, proudly serving his community for the past three decades. Since opening Griffin Realty in 2003, Don's dedication to excellence has helped to guide his company to be among the top producers in Indiana with nearly a half billion in individual lifetime sales.
Amy Makice is the founder of Bloomington Center for Connection and a licensed psychotherapist based in Bloomington, Indiana. Amy offers individual therapy and parent support for people in the Bloomington area, workshops for parents and caregivers, and training on Relational Cultural theory.
Kevin Makice is a user experience designer and enthusiastic gamer who has been steeping in RCT for three decades.
Theme music created by Vlad Gluschenko ("Positive Thinking" and "Serpantine") and downloaded from Soundcloud through Creative Commons Attribution 3.0.
https://soundcloud.com/vgl9/positive-thinking https://soundcloud.com/vgl9/serpantine https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/deed.en
Aug 4, 2024
26 min

Jul 7, 2024
s01e11: How To Play
Jul 7, 2024
Jul 7, 2024
32 min
Jonathan H. Liu, a writer for the GeekDad blog and board game enthusiast, joins Amy and Kevin for a discussion of considerations when starting, playing, and ending a gaming session. We revisit some of the How to Play guidelines gleaned from an interview a decade ago. Jonathan will join us again on Friday, September 6 for a panel discussion on play as part of the upcoming Relational Summit on Playful Connection.
Some resources mentioned in this episode:
Play and Connection (BCC)https://www.bloomingtoncenterforconnection.org/play-and-connection/
The Ultimate Session Zero Checklist (Level 1 Geek)https://www.level1geek.com/blog/dnd-session-0
OT: Alternate Candyland Rules (Baby Center)https://community.babycenter.com/post/a61415299/ot-alternative-candyland-rules
X Card by John Stavropoulos (Google Doc) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SB0jsx34bWHZWbnNIVVuMjhDkrdFGo1_hSC2BWPlI3A/edit
What’s unsettling about Catan: How board games uphold colonial narratives (The Conversation)https://theconversation.com/whats-unsettling-about-catan-how-board-games-uphold-colonial-narratives-220459
The Cultural Background of Ticket to Ride Legacy, pt. 2 - Native Erasure (BoardGame Geek)https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/3164652/the-cultural-background-of-ticket-to-ride-legacy-p
Cadre is a podcast that explores concepts from Relational-Cultural Theory (RCT), a psychological theory that started with Jean Baker Miller, and grew through collaboration and connection in places like the Stone Center at Wellesley College. RCT is built on the idea that people grow through and towards relationships, and that those relationships shape and are shaped by the cultures we co-create. Culture often creates challenges to connection through inequity and hierarchies.
Each year, the Bloomington Center for Connection selects a guiding theme for monthly small-group discussions of RCT concepts.
Amy Makice is the founder of Bloomington Center for Connection and a licensed psychotherapist based in Bloomington, Indiana. Amy offers individual therapy and parent support for people in the Bloomington area, workshops for parents and caregivers, and training on Relational Cultural theory.
Kevin Makice is a user experience designer and enthusiastic gamer who has been steeping in RCT for three decades.
Theme music created by Vlad Gluschenko ("Positive Thinking" and "Serpantine") and downloaded from Soundcloud through Creative Commons Attribution 3.0.
https://soundcloud.com/vgl9/positive-thinking https://soundcloud.com/vgl9/serpantine https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/deed.en
Jul 7, 2024
32 min

Jun 1, 2024
s01e09: Co-Creating Memories
Jun 1, 2024
Jun 1, 2024
22 min
In this conversation, Amy and Kevin explore the benefits of remembering and recalling connecting moments in past play, by intentionally cultivating a repository of positive relational moments.
Some resources mentioned in this episode:
"Dave's Mad Monkey Tea Party" (video)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MVA6Spl7PQ
"Wired to Connect" (book)by Amy Banks (2016)https://www.amazon.com/Wired-Connect-Surprising-Between-Relationships/dp/1101983213/
"Frederick" (book)by Leo Lionni (1967)https://www.amazon.com/Frederick-Leo-Lionni/dp/0394810406
Cadre is a podcast that explores concepts from Relational-Cultural Theory (RCT), a psychological theory that started with Jean Baker Miller, and grew through collaboration and connection in places like the Stone Center at Wellesley College. RCT is built on the idea that people grow through and towards relationships, and that those relationships shape and are shaped by the cultures we co-create. Culture often creates challenges to connection through inequity and hierarchies.
Each year, the Bloomington Center for Connection selects a guiding theme for monthly small-group discussions of RCT concepts.
Amy Makice is the founder of Bloomington Center for Connection and a licensed psychotherapist based in Bloomington, Indiana. Amy offers individual therapy and parent support for people in the Bloomington area, workshops for parents and caregivers, and training on Relational Cultural theory.
Kevin Makice is a user experience designer and enthusiastic gamer who has been steeping in RCT for three decades.
Theme music created by Vlad Gluschenko ("Positive Thinking" and "Serpantine") and downloaded from Soundcloud through Creative Commons Attribution 3.0.
https://soundcloud.com/vgl9/positive-thinking https://soundcloud.com/vgl9/serpantine https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/deed.en
Jun 1, 2024
22 min

Apr 23, 2024
s01e07: Healthy Conflict
Apr 23, 2024
Apr 23, 2024
23 min
In this conversation, Amy and Kevin explore playful ways to healthy conflict, identifying the conditions for tension and how play can help keep us engaged with others long enough to help us move to new understanding together.
Some resources mentioned in this episode:
Positive Disciplinehttps://www.positivediscipline.com/
Playful Parentinghttps://www.playfulparenting.com/
"Let the Playing Commence: A tribute to Bev Boy" (article)by Jennifer Berke (2016)https://www.communityplaythings.com/resources/articles/bev-bos-on-play
Know Your Memes: Defeat Tom Nookhttps://knowyourmeme.com/memes/defeat-tom-nook
Cadre is a podcast that explores concepts from Relational-Cultural Theory (RCT), a psychological theory that started with Jean Baker Miller, and grew through collaboration and connection in places like the Stone Center at Wellesley College. RCT is built on the idea that people grow through and towards relationships, and that those relationships shape and are shaped by the cultures we co-create. Culture often creates challenges to connection through inequity and hierarchies.
Each year, the Bloomington Center for Connection selects a guiding theme for monthly small-group discussions of RCT concepts.
Amy Makice is the founder of Bloomington Center for Connection and a licensed psychotherapist based in Bloomington, Indiana. Amy offers individual therapy and parent support for people in the Bloomington area, workshops for parents and caregivers, and training on Relational Cultural theory.
Kevin Makice is a user experience designer and enthusiastic gamer who has been steeping in RCT for three decades.
Theme music created by Vlad Gluschenko ("Positive Thinking" and "Serpantine") and downloaded from Soundcloud through Creative Commons Attribution 3.0.
https://soundcloud.com/vgl9/positive-thinking https://soundcloud.com/vgl9/serpantine https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/deed.en
Apr 23, 2024
23 min

Apr 6, 2024
s01e06: Sharing the Experience (Follow-up)
Apr 6, 2024
Apr 6, 2024
24 min
In this conversation, Megan Clendening joins Amy and Kevin to recap the latest session of the Relational Cadre with a follow-up discussion of the importance of open spaces for making mistakes, embracing uncertainty, and the transformative power of metaphors that can help us view the world differently.
Some resources mentioned in this episode:
"A Personal Reflection: The Power of Code Switching" (blog post}by Bibi Al-Ebrahimhttps://amizade.org/a-personal-reflection-the-power-of-code-switching/
"Darmok, under 8 minutes" (YouTube)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQ8_F6jYWv4
"Extremely Stupid - Saturday Night Live" (YouTube)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-5FwVv5Udo
Dr. Amy Bankshttps://amybanksmd.com/#av-tab-section-1-2-link
Cadre is a podcast that explores concepts from Relational-Cultural Theory (RCT), a psychological theory that started with Jean Baker Miller, and grew through collaboration and connection in places like the Stone Center at Wellesley College. RCT is built on the idea that people grow through and towards relationships, and that those relationships shape and are shaped by the cultures we co-create. Culture often creates challenges to connection through inequity and hierarchies.
Each year, the Bloomington Center for Connection selects a guiding theme for monthly small-group discussions of RCT concepts.
Megan Clending is an educator and principal of Walter L. NewberryMath & Science Academy in Chicago Public Schools.
Amy Makice is the founder of Bloomington Center for Connection and a licensed psychotherapist based in Bloomington, Indiana. Amy offers individual therapy and parent support for people in the Bloomington area, workshops for parents and caregivers, and training on Relational Cultural theory.
Kevin Makice is a user experience designer and enthusiastic gamer who has been steeping in RCT for three decades.
Theme music created by Vlad Gluschenko ("Positive Thinking" and "Serpantine") and downloaded from Soundcloud through Creative Commons Attribution 3.0.
https://soundcloud.com/vgl9/positive-thinking https://soundcloud.com/vgl9/serpantine https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/deed.en
Apr 6, 2024
24 min

Mar 20, 2024
s01e05: Sharing the Experience
Mar 20, 2024
Mar 20, 2024
22 min
In this conversation, Amy and Kevin preview the next session of the Relational Cadre with a discussion of metaphors, memes, and the need to understand each other in order to invite each other into a playful space.
Some resources mentioned in this episode:
"The Selfish Gene" (Wikipedia)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Selfish_Gene
Empire Carpets commercial (YouTube)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLJxCURQVJc
Kilroy Was Here (Wikipedia)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilroy_was_here
Yes Yes No segments (ReplyAll podcast)https://gimletmedia.com/tags/8gu9/yes-yes-no
"Darmok, under 8 minutes" (YouTube)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQ8_F6jYWv4
Therapy Metaphors (PDF)https://www.getselfhelp.co.uk/docs/Metaphors.pdf
"Harriet interviews RCT scholar Maureen Walker, discussing race, power, & RCT" (website)https://harrietschwartz.com/2020/10/04/harriet-interviews-rct-scholar-maureen-walker-discussing-race-power-rct/
"Loss" - Know Your Meme (website)https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/loss
"Comedy is Tragedy Plus Time" (video)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-_Akm40RJQ
When Getting Along Is Not Enough (website)https://maureenwalker.com/race/when-getting-along-is-not-enough/
Cadre is a podcast that explores concepts from Relational-Cultural Theory (RCT), a psychological theory that started with Jean Baker Miller, and grew through collaboration and connection in places like the Stone Center at Wellesley College. RCT is built on the idea that people grow through and towards relationships, and that those relationships shape and are shaped by the cultures we co-create. Culture often creates challenges to connection through inequity and hierarchies.
Each year, the Bloomington Center for Connection selects a guiding theme for monthly small-group discussions of RCT concepts.
Amy Makice is the founder of Bloomington Center for Connection and a licensed psychotherapist based in Bloomington, Indiana. Amy offers individual therapy and parent support for people in the Bloomington area, workshops for parents and caregivers, and training on Relational Cultural theory.
Kevin Makice is a user experience designer and enthusiastic gamer who has been steeping in RCT for three decades.
Theme music created by Vlad Gluschenko ("Positive Thinking" and "Serpantine") and downloaded from Soundcloud through Creative Commons Attribution 3.0.
https://soundcloud.com/vgl9/positive-thinking https://soundcloud.com/vgl9/serpantine https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/deed.en
Mar 20, 2024
22 min

Mar 8, 2024
s01e04: More Imagining Together
Mar 8, 2024
Mar 8, 2024
24 min
In a conversation taking place after the second Relational Cadre session of 2024, Amy and Kevin reflect on the discussions and playful activity of the group around the topic of Imagining Together, part of the year-long focus on Playful Connections. They talk about some insights and questions that arose from the session, and try to connect play to serious benefits in other areas of life.
Cadre is a podcast that explores concepts from Relational-Cultural Theory (RCT), a psychological theory that started with Jean Baker Miller, and grew through collaboration and connection in places like the Stone Center at Wellesley College. RCT is built on the idea that people grow through and towards relationships, and that those relationships shape and are shaped by the cultures we co-create. Culture often creates challenges to connection through inequity and hierarchies.
Each year, the Bloomington Center for Connection selects a guiding theme for monthly small-group discussions of RCT concepts.
Amy Makice is the founder of Bloomington Center for Connection and a licensed psychotherapist based in Bloomington, Indiana. Amy offers individual therapy and parent support for people in the Bloomington area, workshops for parents and caregivers, and training on Relational Cultural theory.
Kevin Makice is a user experience designer and enthusiastic gamer who has been steeping in RCT for three decades.
Theme music created by Vlad Gluschenko ("Positive Thinking" and "Serpantine") and downloaded from Soundcloud through Creative Commons Attribution 3.0.
https://soundcloud.com/vgl9/positive-thinking
Mar 8, 2024
24 min

Feb 22, 2024
s01e03: Imagining Together
Feb 22, 2024
Feb 22, 2024
20 min
In advance of the second Relational Cadre session, Amy and Kevin dive into another topic in the Playful Connections theme for 2024 ... Imagining Together.
When we imagine together, we have to hold two things in our heads at once: Play is purposeless, and the purpose of play is to connect. Play can use accessible activities like improv, storytelling, and role playing to help us link our imaginations with the possibility for co-creating connection. We can hold a space together where we can be vulnerable with each other and seek mutuality as we try new things, changing each other through our play.
Fostering collaboration and empathy is a team activity, and curiosity is essential. No previous experience or skills are required to imagine; just a willingness to play with someone.
Some resources on this topic include:
Laughing your way to better parenting through playful parenting (article)http://raisingnerd.com/2018/03/01/playful-parenting/ (1130 words) David Alger's Rules of Improv (article)https://www.pantheater.com/rules-of-improv.html (1485 words) Some Spolin games used in performance (article)https://spolin.com/?page_id=10 (800 words)
Cadre is a podcast that explores concepts from Relational-Cultural Theory (RCT), a psychological theory that started with Jean Baker Miller, and grew through collaboration and connection in places like the Stone Center at Wellesley College. RCT is built on the idea that people grow through and towards relationships, and that those relationships shape and are shaped by the cultures we co-create. Culture often creates challenges to connection through inequity and hierarchies.
Each year, the Bloomington Center for Connection selects a guiding theme for monthly small-group discussions of RCT concepts.
Amy Makice is the founder of Bloomington Center for Connection and a licensed psychotherapist based in Bloomington, Indiana. Amy offers individual therapy and parent support for people in the Bloomington area, workshops for parents and caregivers, and training on Relational Cultural theory.
Kevin Makice is a user experience designer and enthusiastic gamer who has been steeping in RCT for three decades.
Theme music created by Vlad Gluschenko ("Positive Thinking" and "Serpantine") and downloaded from Soundcloud through Creative Commons Attribution 3.0.
https://soundcloud.com/vgl9/positive-thinkinghttps://soundcloud.com/vgl9/serpantinehttps://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/deed.en
Feb 22, 2024
20 min
About Cadre
Amy Makice, LCSW, and Kevin Makice explore concepts from Relational-Cultural Theory (RCT), a psychological theory that started with Jean Baker Miller, and grew through collaboration and connection in places like the Stone Center at Wellesley College. RCT is built on the idea that people grow through and towards relationships, and that those relationships shape and are shaped by the cultures we co-create. Culture often creates challenges to connection through inequity and hierarchies.
Each year, the Bloomington Center for Connection selects a guiding theme for monthly small-group discussions of RCT concepts. The current theme is Playful Connections, an examination of play as a creative process of transformative connection. Play includes engaging in activities out of curiosity, and helps us develop clarity about ourselves and others and build stronger, more authentic relationships. It’s a key component of growth, resiliency, and joy.






